Appeasement?!?!?!

[nolawitch58]

I have got to stop asking, "Can that idiotic bastard sink any lower?" because the answer is always, "Yes." Does anyone else see not just the lack of comprehension of the English language, but the supreme irony in Dumbya's appeasement statement?

Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along.

We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: “Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.” [Said by William Edgar Borah (R-Idaho)] We have an obligation to call this what it is – the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history.

He has a lot of gall to use a Nazi reference against any opponent. Is the man completely ignorant that a chunk of his family's fortune came from his grandfather, Prescott Bush, doing business with the Nazis? Maybe he thinks that it's not appeasement if you get paid to enable brutal regimes, like the Reagan/Bush Administration's selling weapons to Iraq and Iran.

Thankfully, there are only 247 days left in his loathesome and reprehensible term.

Comments

[wyldraven.livejournal.com]

Thankfully, there are only 247 days left in his loathesome and reprehensible term.
And you can get a really cool countdown clock to help you keep track here (http://www.backwardsbush.com/screensaver_v2.php). (I am not associated with that website. I just like it.)

[voxwoman.livejournal.com]

Doesn't he lose since he brought up the Nazis and WWII?

(and on a somewhat related note, did you see this protest sign photo from the San Francisco protest of the China Olympiad?)

247 days is 247 days too long, if you ask me...

[nolawitch.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I really wanted to see the Democrats get elected in sufficient numbers to impeach his and Darth Cheney's asses. Americans aren't sick enough of the Republicans' horseshit yet, though.

I don't think he even knows what Godwin's Law is.

[voxwoman.livejournal.com]

HAHAHAHA! I just noticed the tags on this post.

[nolawitch.livejournal.com]

How goes the reading? I'm not happy with Chapter 8 and am revising it greatly.

[voxwoman.livejournal.com]

I'm still on chapter 2. Read a bunch the first night and haven't had a chance to get back to it yet.

[kelli217.livejournal.com]

That sign is worthy of an "oh my god what the fork barbecue" moment.

Someone tell that person to look up Jesse Owens.

[saminz.livejournal.com]

Eh, well: Talk is cheap, compared to the wonderful business opportunities in ruining a country - and then building it up again...

And yeah, I hate the usage of the word, as well. Newspeak, anybody?

Nice tagging indeed :-).

[kitten-goddess.livejournal.com]

Surprise, surprise! It's a political campaign, engaged in by someone who is, even by political standards, a vicious bastard.

What makes me smile is the papers reporting far and wide that McCain "sees troops leaving by 2013." They're finally giving that guy enough rope to hang himself! In the middle of an unpopular and expensive war on top of a recession, this assclown admits he is weak on economics and wants to keep the war going another five years. If he keeps on going like that and Obama hammers away on the economy, the Democrats should get the White House.

[ph4red.livejournal.com]

Not sure if you saw this on cable, but enjoy:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/24635229#24635229

[krikkert.livejournal.com]

Your post hardly does the link justice. And the vitriol is getting boring, too -- frankly, I can't wait 'till he gets out of office just so that'll stop.

(Furthermore, I don't equate "has company confiscated by the Nazis" to "doing business with the Nazis".)

[nolawitch.livejournal.com]

Um, did you READ the link fully? Bush and Thyssen were in business and making money for quite a few years BEFORE Germany took the business. Check out this link (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar) for a more comprehensive breakdown of what grandpa Bush was up to an excerpt of which follows:

The debate over Prescott Bush's behaviour has been bubbling under the surface for some time. There has been a steady internet chatter about the "Bush/Nazi" connection, much of it inaccurate and unfair. But the new documents, many of which were only declassified last year, show that even after America had entered the war and when there was already significant information about the Nazis' plans and policies, he worked for and profited from companies closely involved with the very German businesses that financed Hitler's rise to power. It has also been suggested that the money he made from these dealings helped to establish the Bush family fortune and set up its political dynasty.

If you think the vitriol is getting boring, you should try living with the repercussions this putrid regime have set in motion: our economy is tanking from the tax cuts and the profligate war spending; there is incompetence at all levels of government from top down; the USA's prestige in the world is somewhere in the gutter.

Frankly, since I see the results of Bush's incompetence daily as I pass buildings with high water stains still on their sides, I think it would be rather pleasant to sit off in the distance and consider this fiasco "boring".

[krikkert.livejournal.com]

Indeed, and I see the link mentioning mainly the 20s (before the Nazi party was more than a smudge on election rolls) and early 30s. That is, your first link. Your second link helps your case a lot more, thanks. :-)

Then again, please refrain from running a straw man on me. I never said the fiasco was boring, I've only said that the constant vitriol-spewing for the sake of doing so is getting a tad old. Is it impossible to comment on one scenario without constantly dragging up roots 60 years or more back in time? Furthermore, the argument he was making, namely that appeasement strategies don't work, should be evaluated separately from who's making it. Historically, I can't come up with any event in European history (I can't comment outside that, have yet to go deeply enough into other continents' history) where appeasement has worked as anything but a short-term solution.

In Norway, we have an expression -- "dribble the ball, don't attack the player". Can't say Bush has done too much good for your country, rather the opposite, but if what he says is as bad as you claim, then why not discount it on the merits of the speech, not the merits of the speaker?

It's rather pleasant to sit here, distant from trouble, and look at it, yes. I'm actually quite glad to have been born, raised, and recently married in this country. And not having to worry too much about my own means I can feel sorry for those who are really in trouble. The continent begins on an A, and it's not America.

Of course, it's...

[kelli217.livejournal.com]

Antarctica, because it's really really cold there.

[ex-whitepho.livejournal.com]

"Thankfully, there are only 247 days left in his loathesome and reprehensible term."

The best news I've heard all day.

Also, I misread the senator's name as "Borat," which lent an interesting mental voice to the quote for a moment.

[kelli217.livejournal.com]

I guess the question is, who exactly is the enemy in Iraq anymore? For a while it was Saddam Hussein. Then he went underground (as it turns out, quite literally in many cases during his fugitive days). Then it was the remaining Ba'athists. Then it was the Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad, the organization led by al-Zarqawi, who only later declared allegiance to al-Qaeda and became "Al-Qaeda in Iraq". Today, it's that last grounp, as well as any number of other Sunni insurgent groups, former members of the disbanded Iraqi armed forces, and (unfortunately) newly trained police and military personnel --trained by the coalition forces, mind you--who are using their new power corruptly to further their own personal agendas.

Anyway, the point I'm getting at is: in order to appease the enemy, you'd have to give them something they want without them ever having to fight for it. It's not clear who exactly would benefit from a US withdrawal from Iraq other than the US. Because of the Sunni-Shiite conflict, the Kurd issue, the contempt if not antagonism that everybody has for the new Iraqi regime, it's unclear as to whether our withdrawal would benefit any one particular group there, because they'd still have plenty to fight about amongst themselves.

The only thing that is pretty clear about Iraq is that if the US left, then US soldiers would no longer be in harm's way there. It's also possible that a small level of resentment about continued US occupation would dissipate, though it's far from certain that there would be any great amount of reconciliation, due to the tendency of many cultures in that region to encourage individuals and families and tribes to hang on to feuds and grudges for many years.

[loosechanj.livejournal.com]

as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along

Pot, kettle, black. SERIOUSLY.