Miserable people need therapy.

[nolawitch58]

It's really sad to watch people go through turmoil as it gets progressively worse and they refuse to go see a shrink and get help. It's even worse when they weren't always flakes and assholes, but because they refuse to deal with life as it currently is instead of pining for some ideal, the situation makes their symptoms so much worse. The only reason they haven't been diagnosed is because they refuse to see a psychiatrist, psychologist or psychotherapist. It must be that they're too far gone and are due to implode very soon. What a shame.

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[happydog.livejournal.com]

tell me about it. Been there, done that...

When do you want to go hang out and have coffee?

[nolawitch.livejournal.com]

Hey sweetie! Are you coming to the PPD in a couple of weeks?

I've got Wednesday after work this week. What's your schedule look like? Also, do you have a preference of places to go for coffee?

[happydog.livejournal.com]

the PPD?

[nolawitch.livejournal.com]

Pagan Pride Day. It's gonna be at Audubon Park on Sunday the 21st. Mimi is having her soiree and a book signing the night before at her shop. All that should be up on the Vox.

[happydog.livejournal.com]

wow. I am so out of the loop. I need to go to Witchvox and look. I'm loop-free at present.

[(Anonymous)]

my schedule in the evenings is pretty good so far. Nothing after 5:00 (gods willing as I am on call next week, but usually nothing happens). As far as a coffee place, I am so out of it that I don't know what's open and what's not. What's most convenient for you?

[happydog.livejournal.com]

um. I wrote the above. DUH on me.

[nolawitch.livejournal.com]

Do you live Uptown or in Metairie? We could go to CCs on Veterans by Barnes and Noble or to Rue de la Course on Carrolton. Unless you'd like to go to Cafe du Monde in the Quarter.

[happydog.livejournal.com]

Here's the deal - the rest of this week kinda sucks up until Friday, when I will be free of obligations for that day. What is good for you?

[nolawitch.livejournal.com]

I really only have Wednesday free this week. Friday sucks because I'll be getting ready for one of the last fundraising events before Pagan Pride Day. (Somebody, please remind me next year not to take on so much shit to do in October.) How about the following week?

Well said...

[lab-rattus.livejournal.com]

What brought this on? Anybody I know?

I only ask because you know I am the epitome of sanity.

Re: Well said...

[nolawitch.livejournal.com]

Nobody you know. As the epitome of sanity, what did you do if anyone told you to your face to get some damned therapy because you were flipping out? Did you call them a shithead and tell them to fuck themselves? Or did you evaluate what they said and go see a damned shrink when you needed one?

Re: Well said...

[voxwoman.livejournal.com]

Is that what happened to you? We're about to tell somebody they need to get therapy, and I'd rather not have them call me a shithead and to fuck myself. But at the same time, I'm tired of her abuse and of her sucking the energy out of the rest of us. Taking my toys and going home isn't an acceptable solution, either, because I don't want to abandon the rest of my coven to her, or watch it disintegrate.

Re: Well said...

[nolawitch.livejournal.com]

Not me personally or I would have torn them new assholes. They're too afraid of me to be all in my face like that. No, they were obnoxious to two other people who aren't shitheads and obnoxious by proxy to the entire coven.

My suggestion for you is to excavate the stoniest part of your personality to let the barbs she'll undoubtedly fling your way bounce off like bullets from Superman's chest. The stone will protect the part of you that's better than she is, the person who isn't an abusive twat, the joyful, sensitive musician. If you plan ahead for her to be a jerk, it can be less hurtful when you give the crumb bum her walking papers.

The only thing you can do if she doesn't get therapy is to jettison her. You don't need that kind of crap and you certainly can't do optimally effective magic with someone who's sucking energy from the group.

I'll be sending you some strong energy for the confrontation.

if it was YOU?

[nightwind292.livejournal.com]

I'd believe you and plead broke.

Re: Well said...

[lab-rattus.livejournal.com]

I told them they were shitheads, smashed a bunch of stuff, went ballistic, I was 100lbs of holy terror. Evaluating what they said was way down the line. I was at a point when I could not even spell evaluate much less put it into action.

I didn't get help until i got really scared. The right cocktail of meds saved my ass.If your friend has a chemical imbalance you can scream until you're blue in the face. Chances are it won't help. Slapping them upside the head might. Someone did that to me when I smashed a glass door and severed two arteries in my arm and wouldn't let anyone help me. Twas a bloody mess.

Progressively worse?

[saminz.livejournal.com]

At one point, something will give, certainly....

In lots of cases though, the person has at least a few lucid moments - the trick is to get them then, maybe remind them of occurrences or behaviour that's not tolerable or dangerous.

Is there any addiction involved? These are the hardest to convince about treatment, I'm afraid.
Most others will suffer enough to give in finally. But it can take a lot of nerves until then!
Banning them from a group, throwing them out of jobs IF they don't get treated can in fact speed up the process.

Certainly nobody has to endure abuse just because they point out the obvious. Walk away, and try another time - or not. In the end, it's their own life. You can not help a person who doesn't want help. But you can always demand to be spared their company, at least in the current state!

Re: Progressively worse?

[nolawitch.livejournal.com]

No addiction, just massive amounts of stupidity and denial. The only thing we can do, I'm afraid, is step away...far away...until the implosion or the professionally assisted recovery. Gauging how much tolerance they have for suffering is difficult.

I blame society for placing such a stigma on getting mental help.

I think the stigma is not on getting help

[real-skeptic.livejournal.com]

It's on being diagnosed. As you said, they are not diagnosed because they didn't go see anybody who could diagnose them. And as long as they are not diagnosed, they are not "crazy", "nuts", or whatever.

If the system had compassion, there would have been some way to diagnose the person with something that doesn't say he is out of his mind. Something like "You're fine, you're just exhausted, so some chemicals are in short supply and you're feeling weird. Here, take these, it will balance you."

Re: Progressively worse?

[saminz.livejournal.com]

Partly - the family seems to play a bigger role, but that might just be me, coming from a jungian one ;-).

As skeptic pointed out: As long as the person is not dangerous (and needs to go to a clinic for hir own safety) any physical doctor might be of help, too! Most will try to avoid terms like "nuts", hopefully :-D.

From the behaviour you describe (denial!) the person might be manic. I have not seen this in real life, but it must be one of he most exhausting illnesses to live with, not to mention to finance, sadly...
I have no idea what to do if the person is not suffering, but feeling completely in control - difficult, to say the least ;-p

Good luck!

[ozanbaba.livejournal.com]

you have point. lots of phcological problemscan be easily cured with nice regular psychiatrist visit. i know because i did it

[nolawitch.livejournal.com]

And you're much better for it. You really have become a wonderful person since you got help. All the bad stuff you used to say wasn't really who you are. That was what was hurting you. I'm glad you're not hurting anymore.

[ozanbaba.livejournal.com]

indeed, i wouldn't be alive, too